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Post by supersport on Nov 27, 2009 14:37:04 GMT
na....I head right to the atheists.  |
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Post by ydoaPs on Nov 27, 2009 14:42:04 GMT
na....I head right to the atheists. Right on. If you would, please stay on topic, though. Thank you. We do have a few Rules and Etiquette Guidelines you may want to read. |
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Post by davedidit on Nov 27, 2009 17:08:19 GMT
As for Christians being upset that Christmas has been secularized; I've never understood this. I've always thought that Easter should be the defining Christian holiday. Actually both "Christmas" and "Easter" have an history longer than Christianity. But interestingly the history of "Santa Claus" as the person does have a Christian history, at least the version coming from the dutch "Sinterklaas" (not very different in pronouncement as "Santa Claus") leading to the bishop "St Nicolas". Marco I understand that both Christmas and Easter have their origins in paganism. What I meant was that since the main theme of Christianity is one of Salvation, e.g. Christ being crucified for the sins of humanity and then resurrecting, that Easter should be the defining holiday in Christianity. Dave |
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Post by krusta on Nov 30, 2009 0:57:35 GMT
There seems to be a lot of activity, especially in the US from people who want the term Christmas to be abandoned and I have even seen organisations use Atheists as an excuse for pressing for this change. i have never met an Atheist or anyone from any other religion who objected to the word Christmas. How do the Atheists on here feel about being used to push forward some nutters agenda? PS. Merry Christmas I love Christmas! All the pretty lights, and time off work, what's not to like? In truth, I have zero objections to hearing or saying "Merry Christmas", and would have thought that "Happy Holidays" or similar were to appease the growing non-christian-yet-still-religious population that all seem to have some sort of special day right around the same time. Blaming atheists for this seems like a political agenda to me. |
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Post by marco on Nov 30, 2009 8:17:49 GMT
I understand that both Christmas and Easter have their origins in paganism. What I meant was that since the main theme of Christianity is one of Salvation, e.g. Christ being crucified for the sins of humanity and then resurrecting, that Easter should be the defining holiday in Christianity. Dave Possibly, but the Easter bunny / eggs probably reminds the church to much of it's pagan origins. The (Christian) people have less problems with this and celebrate it happily. Similar with the Christmas tree, Catholic church rejected that for some time. Marco |
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Post by dahduh on Nov 30, 2009 17:12:33 GMT
In truth, I have zero objections to hearing or saying "Merry Christmas", and would have thought that "Happy Holidays" or similar were to appease the growing non-christian-yet-still-religious population that all seem to have some sort of special day right around the same time. Blaming atheists for this seems like a political agenda to me. Heh. That's what I thought when the garbage collector came to the gate today for his Christmas box (they really start early these days!) He had a little book in which to record the amounts donated and people had written messages like "Have a nice holiday!" and "Good luck!" - not a single "Happy Christmas" among the lot. And yet this evil atheist's instinct was to write "Happy Christmas!" Fortunately, being a signed up member of the Conspiracy Against Christmas I thought "Bugger this, I'm not writing 'Happy Christmas!'" and so wrote "Happy Holidays!" instead. Yay, up the conspiracy! |
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Post by naz on Dec 1, 2009 16:25:18 GMT
Actually both "Christmas" and "Easter" have an history longer than Christianity. But interestingly the history of "Santa Claus" as the person does have a Christian history, at least the version coming from the dutch "Sinterklaas" (not very different in pronouncement as "Santa Claus") leading to the bishop "St Nicolas". Marco I understand that both Christmas and Easter have their origins in paganism. What I meant was that since the main theme of Christianity is one of Salvation, e.g. Christ being crucified for the sins of humanity and then resurrecting, that Easter should be the defining holiday in Christianity. Dave Historically it was. But it was not celebrated on the modern day of Easter (adopted from pagan traditions) originally but near the Jewish Passover. Celebrating the day of Christ's birth came much later. |
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Post by naz on Dec 1, 2009 16:34:33 GMT
I'm an atheist and refer to "Christmas" as "Christmas"; it's just a name, like "Guy Fawkes". Referring to "Guy Fawkes" doesn't mean I endorse blowing up the houses of parliament. Celebrating Guy Fawkes night is endorsing NOT blowing up the houses of parliament, no? I thought it was the opposite of our Independence day; celebrating the failure of the Revolution. Which why I thought it was weird that V was upset that no-one remembered bonfire night; V was a supporter of Guy. |
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Post by ydoaPs on Dec 1, 2009 19:13:58 GMT
Did I mention that I absolutely LOVE that movie?
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Post by naz on Dec 1, 2009 20:32:16 GMT
Did I mention that I absolutely LOVE that movie? me too. one of my all time faves |
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Post by ydoaPs on Dec 1, 2009 20:54:43 GMT
There are so many great monologues and quotable lines in that film.
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Post by no problem but not PC on Dec 4, 2009 19:46:14 GMT
Since Christmas is really just a celebration of the winter solstice ( even the legends of Jesus have him born in the Spring), why should non-believers care? However, other religions have their holidays about this time and their followers might object. Personally, I use Merry Xmas unless there are non-Christians, in which case I resort to Happy Holidays.
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