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Post by naz on Dec 4, 2009 21:56:01 GMT
Well, it is meaningful to me. Would you care to explain? It's pretty simple actually. If I am in a spiritual frame of mind I am going to look at the world differently than when I am in a "carnal" (or "natural") frame of mind. Of course it is the same pair of eyes in either case and I am seeing the same things either way but how I perceive what I am looking at is different. |
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Post by dahduh on Dec 5, 2009 8:30:26 GMT
Would you care to explain? It's pretty simple actually. If I am in a spiritual frame of mind I am going to look at the world differently than when I am in a "carnal" (or "natural") frame of mind. Of course it is the same pair of eyes in either case and I am seeing the same things either way but how I perceive what I am looking at is different. I mean, the difference between "spiritual" and "carnal". By "carnal", do you mean "naturalistic"? If I understand correctly you see these as being different perspectives, i.e. the manner in which you comprehend the world. I'm assuming that the premises of the one view must be different from the other; so what exactly distinguishes these two viewpoints? |
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Post by naz on Dec 5, 2009 22:51:55 GMT
It's pretty simple actually. If I am in a spiritual frame of mind I am going to look at the world differently than when I am in a "carnal" (or "natural") frame of mind. Of course it is the same pair of eyes in either case and I am seeing the same things either way but how I perceive what I am looking at is different. I mean, the difference between "spiritual" and "carnal". By "carnal", do you mean "naturalistic"? If I understand correctly you see these as being different perspectives, i.e. the manner in which you comprehend the world. I'm assuming that the premises of the one view must be different from the other; so what exactly distinguishes these two viewpoints? I think maybe you are thinking about conceptualizations like "naturalistic". That isn't what I mean although I am having difficulty putting into words what I do mean. I mean things actually look different. Something that might hold appeal in a carnal frame of mind does not in a spiritual one and vice versa. |
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Post by dahduh on Dec 6, 2009 10:22:28 GMT
I mean, the difference between "spiritual" and "carnal". By "carnal", do you mean "naturalistic"? If I understand correctly you see these as being different perspectives, i.e. the manner in which you comprehend the world. I'm assuming that the premises of the one view must be different from the other; so what exactly distinguishes these two viewpoints? I think maybe you are thinking about conceptualizations like "naturalistic". That isn't what I mean although I am having difficulty putting into words what I do mean. I mean things actually look different. Something that might hold appeal in a carnal frame of mind does not in a spiritual one and vice versa. Hmm, you're not touching on what Buddhists might call right view, are you? This is the first step on the eightfold path. Essentially, it is the not terribly profound observation that your mindfulness is at least as important as you circumstances. with the right attitude you're supposed to be able to be serene where others might be tearing their hair out. I suppose you could describe that as 'spiritual'. |
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Post by naz on Dec 6, 2009 19:59:34 GMT
I think maybe you are thinking about conceptualizations like "naturalistic". That isn't what I mean although I am having difficulty putting into words what I do mean. I mean things actually look different. Something that might hold appeal in a carnal frame of mind does not in a spiritual one and vice versa. Hmm, you're not touching on what Buddhists might call right view, are you? This is the first step on the eightfold path. Essentially, it is the not terribly profound observation that your mindfulness is at least as important as you circumstances. with the right attitude you're supposed to be able to be serene where others might be tearing their hair out. I suppose you could describe that as 'spiritual'. that is probably close to what I'm talking about. although I would point out I'm not talking about any conscious decision to change one's view. just something that occurs in pursuing a Spirit filled life. |
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